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I guess I should stick this all behind LJ – cut? I mean, has anyone who cares really not seen this yet? But to be safe…

I should probably say, first off, that I actually really did like the 50th anniversary special. But it's hard, looking back, to not be a little peeved. Okay, I was actually a little peeved right away. I love very much of it, don't get me wrong. And I'm not even all pissed off that Ten and Rose didn't get to have any time together, because her as The Moment's conscience/Bad Wolf was pretty great. But I really, really wish it would have ended with the three of them all pushing the red button together. I was totally crying, it would have been perfect. But in retrospect, I guess that would really be more of an RTD angsty ending. Still it would have been, I don't know... RIGHT.

I mean if Gallifrey is all locked, aren't they perpetually all locked in a war? With Daleks? So all those children don't die but are suffering, or running in fear...forever? And what about the Final Sanction, Rassilon, the Master, what happens to all of them? What about the Master's sacrifice in The End of Time?

And while I appreciate that the other Doctors don't remember what's happened and their characters are intact, it just doesn't seem right that their suffering was basically for nothing now.

This bothered me. Tremendously. And I know it's all platform to bring Gallifrey back later on, but I wasn't happy.

That said, before that ending, i really don't think this special set a foot wrong. You know, apart from David Tennant's hair. And the fact that the Time Lords in charge were... good? Especially since the Night of the Doctor short set them up as being kind of terrible, which is in keeping with the End of Time.

Oh, but wait, I was talking about the things I loved. Which really was mostly everything. Well, except for all the Elizabeth stuff. And I really wish I wasn't spoiled for her being part of the special. Dammit, there I went again. And really, this didn't seem like the Tome Lord Victorious Ten on spring break did it? And when exactly did he and Elizabeth seal the deal, anyway?

Ahem. Ten and Eleven and the War Doctor were SO awesome together. I loved Billie Piper as The Moment's conscience. And though I don't love how the Time War was 'resolved' in this episode I do rather love that it was, once again, the Bad Wolf ending the Time War with life. And Billie Piper was altogether pretty fucking amazing.

And seeing it in a theater full of fans was pretty great too. And in 3-D. Which at first was a little overwhelming, but then I got used to it. And I only rolled my eyes once, I think. And I actually said out loud, "cheap." You can probably guess when. It may have been Ten saying... well I don't have to fill in that blank, do I? You have to touch his motherfucking last words? Because dang that was just kinda mean. Also, didn't really make sense.

All in all, despite all my griping here, I was pleasantly surprised with the special. It was actually much better than I expected. I just wish it wasn't in places so, you know... Moffat.

Do take that all with a grain of salt. I've been up since around 2:30 AM. I'm still having all sorts of jet lag.

Date: 2013-11-24 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] requialexa.livejournal.com
I've been waiting with bated breath for your reaction post. I loved most of the special and I loved the intention to try and heal the Doctor as best they could. Just the possibility that it could be undone made me sob and sob (maybe I'm just hormonal). Just seeing David Tennant and Billie Piper in the credits made me cry! All in all I was just so relieved to be excited about DW again. The Ponds stories were so distracting and confusing that I lost the fire... I hadn't even watched the second half of S7 until this weekend! So I love being in love with the Doctor again and I have hope for the future. (and I'm missing our friend Jamie liek woah!) *hugs*

Date: 2013-11-25 02:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karenor.livejournal.com
But I didn't WANT it to be undone. Even though Nine and Ten don't remember what happened, basically they suffered for years for NOTHING. And that really hurts my heart.

Date: 2013-11-25 01:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wickedgillie.livejournal.com
It was like Halloween candy. Temporarily fun, but afterward made me sick to my stomach. All except Four, which made me cry like an idiot. The only earned emotional tic of the piece.

Date: 2013-11-25 02:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karenor.livejournal.com
God, if they had actually all pressed that button together, that would have been fucking PERFECT. You'd hear me singing the Moff's praises. Seriously. But no, had to go all flash, stick in every Doctor. Erg. I mean, how can you change THAT? The one thing that makes the Doctor who he is now. And Eleven was moving past it on his own (which was IN the story already).

Tbh, I don't even like the adding in another Doctor, but I can forgive, because John Hurt.

Date: 2013-11-25 02:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wickedgillie.livejournal.com
EXACTLY!!!!!!! It was bloody volcano day. And this time, they would have made the choice with more knowledge, with a little less self-loathing, and they could finally grow the frak up. Stupid stupid stupid Moffat. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

John Hurt was lovely, but I still feel like Paul was pissed upon.

Date: 2013-11-28 02:10 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] develish1
you're braver than me, I chose not to even do a reaction post once my net connection came back, as I knew I'd only end up pointing out everything that was wrong with it and going off a horrible rant, and forget all the fun bits, lol

"I mean if Gallifrey is all locked, aren't they perpetually all locked in a war? With Daleks? So all those children don't die but are suffering, or running in fear...forever? And what about the Final Sanction, Rassilon, the Master, what happens to all of them? What about the Master's sacrifice in The End of Time?"

This, most definitely, is my biggest annoyance, because in TEoT it was made pretty clear that the reason the Doctor finally ended the Time War was because the Time Lords had become as bad as the Daleks and would have destroyed the universe themselves if not stopped.

I simply can't get my head around how the two eps can co-exist



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