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[karenor]

So i just saw this documentary called "The Last Days" about Hungarian Holocaust survivors....it was very interesting... quick history lesson, the Hungarian Jews were among the last to be exterminated...when Hitler was already clearly losing the war. It's like, they almost made it....but not quite.

anyway, it was very sad. the survivors were all quite young, still. one woman who survived Auschwitz went to look up information on her sister who died and then met with an SS officer who was also being interviewed for the documentary to explain what some of the things on the document she had meant. He was very evasive and she got very angry, but was trying hard to be civil. It was hard to watch.

Also a woman who held on to her diamonds all thru her time in the camp by swallowing them repeatedly, and had them mounted into a teardrop shape eventually...

so i think i need to write a poem or something.

it's funny. toad has a song called Amnesia, and they play it regularly now as their antiwar schpeel...and one of the lines in it is "the final solution is back in style" and its basically about how we forget past horrors and repeat them again and again. and it angers me a lot and i can't sing along even tho it's a great song because... well right now, it makes no sense. it would make much more sense as a pro military action song, right now...

and jenine garafalo said she didn't speak out about being against US troups in Bosnia back then, cuz it wasn't "in" then. Oh, and Sheryl Crow needs to be bludgeoned for being a goddamn hypocrite.

end rant.

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[alannahrose.livejournal.com]

Holocaust documentaries are SO hard to watch. On one hand, I want to watch because we need to know people's stories, and like you said, not forget about what happened. But on the other hand, they are SO painful. I can't believe that people survived those horrors. I just don't even know what else to say.

I personally hate all these celebrities speaking out against war. If you're so against it, are you out there lobbying congress? No, I didn't think so. You're just wearing a guitar strap that says NO WAR in rhinestones. I mean, come on. Put up or shut up.

[sykopoet.livejournal.com]

We just read an essay in my english class about the holocaust, and about this woman saying it was horrible, but she gets tired of people who say "I've heard all that horrible stuff and I dont want to hear it anymore." and I was outside the class during break and I started an innocent conversation with this guy and all of the sudden he is like "I don't want to hear about the holocaust anymore! The Jews weren't annihalated, look at all the movie credits out there!" I was standing there torn between the urge to flee the scene before he said something else completely offensive and the urge to start screaming at his ignorant ass. My fleeing instinct won out, as I am usually a chickenshit when it comes to confrontation, =(. All I have to say is, if he writes his essay like THAT, he will most definitely be getting an F.

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[karenor.livejournal.com]

i don't know what i would do in that situation either, lisa...prolly start crying. or maybe punch the dude in the face.

that's what is so frustrating. it's like the holocaust will never be over. there will always be ppl who think like that, for no other reason than hate and ignorance.

and what's almost as bad as killing six million people...is what it did to the survivors. took away faith for so many...and saddled the rest with guilt. fuck. I feel guilty. and i wasn't even born till 35 years later.

one day, i should tell you my aunt's story, if i haven't, about escaping europe...

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[karenor.livejournal.com]

yup, i agree with you. i think a lot of these celebrities are just 'speaking out' cuz it's the 'right' thing to do. nm what they actually believe, or what actually is 'right'. and hello! ms. crow entertained troups in freakin bosnia! ugh.

and yeah, the documentaries are painful. i guess they're supposed to be. i cry just thinking about that one today. and yet there are ppl who believe it never happened, or worse yet, think it was a good thing...

[sykopoet.livejournal.com]

An odd thought : I have this friend, he is German, from East Berlin, Communist, and he will tell you all about how wonderful Germany was before WW2, and all about it now, but if you try to talk to him about Hitler, he pretty much clams up and won't talk about it. He is so ashamed , and he is only 20 years old. I feel bad for him, having to carry that guilt around with him for the rest of his life. Its really true what they say about your sins passing down to your children's children.

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[karenor.livejournal.com]

it wasn't all wonderful. the wienmar(sp?) republic was deffintely better the third reich, but many people were still fiercly antisemetic. it didn't come from nowhere. but yeah, i understand that guilt...i feel bad for him too, it's not HIS fault. maybe it will be better in 20 or 30 years when none of the people who's fault it is aren't alive anymore. cuz relatively, in history, WW2 is still pretty damn fresh, and painful all around.