don't hate me. i need to post this.

[karenor]

i can not adequately explain how bothered i am by the "not in our name" campaign. i mean, wanting peace is one thing. who doesn't? but peace and ignorance and brainwashing and propaganda is another thing all together. hi, let's lump all the worlds problems, everything bad that's happening to people all over and blame that on ourselves. or rather the government that does not represent us. fuck that. it does. i'm not a republican. i hate war. it sucks. i also i hate george w. bush. i really do. i was so extremely upset when he got the presidency...but god damn, at least he realizes sometimes action has to be taken. and why the hell isn't it the world's priority to get a murderous dictator who supports terrorism out of power? i wish anyone could be in my house for a minute every time a bomb goes off in israel or people are otherwise killed there. who lives near there? what time is it now? can we call yet? it breaks my heart to think about my 17 year old cousin in Tel Aviv who volunteers as an emt, and sometimes gets the fun job of collecting body parts. And that i can never visit her.

And then there are fucked up countries like France. Far more concerned about oil than we are, let's not forget. Don't hurt Iraq. Violence is bad. Unless you are a Jew living here in France where we hate you, then it's ok. Bad Americans. Bad. Until we get invaded again and need you to save us. again. Have you seen the Robin Williams stand up bit about this? brilliant.

anyway, i know everyone disagrees with me. all my friends do. i hope i didn't piss off sykopoet too bad when i commented in her journal on this issue, i didn't mean to. the only people who agree are my family, and maybe i'm influenced by them. but i really feel alone, and so so right. it's a horrible feeling. i wrote a poem about this feeling last year and i got asked "is this tongue in cheek?". No! I mean it. Be me for a minute and try to feel differently.

Sorry. end rant.

Comments

[alannahrose.livejournal.com]

I would never hate you for your opinions. Ignorance is one thing, but your opinion is very informed and you are an uber-intelligent person who thinks for herself.

I don't FULLY disagree with you, but my stance is pretty much that killing is wrong. I could not do it and I can't support it. That's what it boils down to for me (and I know that's simplifying the problem to say the least)...but that really is the heart of the issue for me, morally. In the end, though, I know that no world leader is ever going to take the Ghandian stance of "peace will persevere" or whatever. War is always going to be the solution, because people like to see action and in the end it's going to make the President look bad if he doesn't fight back.

I'm sorry that people are so narrow-minded that you aren't even able to say how you feel without being worried that people will hate you and take things out on you.

I love you!!

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[karenor.livejournal.com]

thank you alannah. i needed to hear that. i love you too, and you are the best.

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[alannahrose.livejournal.com]

You're welcome! Big smooches to you. <3

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[karenor.livejournal.com]

:) :) :)

;k

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[alannahrose.livejournal.com]

;k x 100000!

[girlfromsouth.livejournal.com]

I'm torn. I agree with you, to a point. Cause definitely Saddam is a Bad Man. And his people probably suffer under his rule. That said, I don't know that bombing them is the way to make them suffer *less*. I don't know. I also think that we're going about this in an entirely wrong and half-assed way, and I can't get behind pissing off the whole world over this one thing, when there are other things (North Korea, the corrupt Saudi government, Pakistan, the fact that Osama bin Laden is still out there somewhere, Arafat's dumb ass) which are equally bad and that our government seems perfectly happy to ignore while constantly harping on the fact that taking Saddam out is the Most.Important.Thing.Ever. Send in some freakin' special ops and whack his ass. I know we have people who do this. And it's more effective than all this brute military force (i.e. that guy who mysteriously "died" in Somalia).

I also hate France, though, so we are in total agreement there. Fuck them and their stupid attitude. I love how it's PC to hate America but at the same time totally have no problem with taking our money, our support, and our defense when they need it (and that doesn't apply to only France).

I totally applaud you for posting this though. Go, you. :)

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[karenor.livejournal.com]

thanks for that lacy. you did hit the nail on the head with the other issues. I pretty much entirely agree with you. I don't know about bombing either, really. I just know i'm not for doing nothing. I think our government just sees this as the only problem they have the slightest clue how to solve...(even if they're wrong).

[girlfromsouth.livejournal.com]

Part of it is probably because I don't trust this administration to fold my socks, let alone to figure out how to handle delicate foreign policy situations.

[sykopoet.livejournal.com]

Karen Love,
I don't hate you. I may have been *slightly* PMSing last week when I made that other post, and I didn't know it at the time but I was coming down with a NASTY flu bug as well. I love you and I miss you and I'm sorry about your family and friends in Israel. I just think about all the other people out there who will be in the same situation, wondering if their relatives and friends in Iraq will manage to survive our bombing them. Especially when there are DEFINITELY better ways to go about resolving the situation. So the president says "We'll only bomb military sites." I can't help remembering all the stories about the *oops* strays during the bombing on Afghanistan. That was only, like, LAST YEAR. Have they VASTLY improved technology since then? I hear one story about a village near a bridge we were trying to bomb. The bombs missed the bridge and hit the village so many times the villagers finally got together and destroyed the bridge themselves, so we would leave them alone. There have got to be better solutions than big men blowing up their big toys and killing thousands of people. I have no doubt that Saddam is a bad man, but right now, he really isn't doing anything to us, except cooperating, and there are bigger fish to fry at the moment. I mean, who's dropping the bombs on Israel? Anyone, anyone? Why don't we care about that? The whole Israel / Palestine thing is too complicated for words and I choose to stay FAR away from that particular issue because I can't in good conscience agree completely with either side, but it doesn't change the fact that innocent people keep getting killed on both sides, and it seems like that should be just slightly higher priority right now. As for the "not in our name" campaign, I don't know what particularly made you mad, but I agree with the basic concept of the name. I have no idea about the group, though. I've never read any of their literature or anything. I basically think that if the government is going to run off the bomb other countries and declare war and piss of the U.N. and all, I really don't want him telling everyone that the American people are behind him. A good portion of us aren't, and he's not doing anything to change our minds. That is my very long, yet calm and non-PMS influenced opinion. I still have the flu though. Eyuck. LOVE YOU!!

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[karenor.livejournal.com]

Sadam is financially supporting terrorism in israel...giving tens of thousands of dollars to the families of those who choose to blow themselves and israelis up. so no, no bombs dropped...yet. not since the gulf war that is, when Iraq DID bomb Israel. I can't be impartial in the Israel/Palestinian conflict, obviously, so i'll leave that alone...except to say that I know Israel never intends to kill innocents (tho i know it happens, unfortunately) and palestinians obviously do intend to kill innocents. those same people who cheered on sept. 11.

I know it's not cut and dry. I really respect your opinion, at least you're informed. My problem is with the people that aren't...that don't bother to look at facts and cry for peace without thinking.

I love you too, lisa, thanks so much for responding, so now i know you don't hate me.

Feel better!!!

[sykopoet.livejournal.com]

Karen love,
Completely off the subject of war and evileness...how do you do that hidden text thingy in Livejournal? Nobody will tell me! *sigh*

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[karenor.livejournal.com]

You mean like a cut where you link to more stuff?

whatever you want to say

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[sykopoet.livejournal.com]

Yeah, like that. Where do I point the link to?

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[karenor.livejournal.com]

oh duh, lame on me, it didn't show up.

you put in htm tags "lj-cut" write what you want then a closing tag "/lj-cut"