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Preshow:

Hah. Chris Hardwick schooling us on how to pronounce Capaldi. Eh, I don't know if I'll be able to do it.

Muting Wil. Talking about based on clips he's seen. Why am I watching this?

Yeah I'm not really. I'll watch it later.

I don't know about Intruders. But I'll watch anyway. Because John Simm.

Some of these New York fans... I imagine we might have very different opinions on...things.

Show:

Most of this was written during the commercials. Until my brief thoughts in summary at the end.


Glad that spoiler I learned today got out of the way quickly (dinosaur in the Thames).

New intro! Um. Cheesy! But I don't hate it. I don't love the music. Oh well. I don't love the making it more ridiculous each time. Whatever.

No wedding ring right off the bat. Interesting.

They're pushing this flirting/no flirting thing really hard. Jenny clapping is very cute.

I'm honestly glad I didn't know the Victorian London trio were in this. I'm well over them and their throwaway lines.

I don't remember how much Clara remembers, but I know she's got some working knowledge of past Doctors. Why would she be SO thrown by his apparent age?

Wish they'd left the face thing at 'I never know where I get them.' Don't want that to be A Thing. We'll see.

O_o about Jenny posing in unders while Vastra works. Not... sure it's worth my O_o though. Just kind of dumb.

I'm not watching live after today. These commercials are awful disruptive. At least the breaks should be built into The Intruders. Next time there's a new Doctor, I'm going to plan to be in the UK.

Was wondering how long it would take to reference GitF. Sigh. The most eyerolly thing so far, so I guess we're doing well.

When did he find his outfit in between fake-ish!abandonment and rescue. We're denied a choosing scene? That bit of a black coat with the mirror and the tramp was it? [eta: I guess that's not his outfit... I was wondering about the tie]

Oh look, let's beat the GitF joke horse a bunch more times.

Capaldi is so good. I wish this were like, worthy of him. Why am I so bitter? I blame the commercials. I don't hate it. But hoped for more.

(Wrote that last part about 20 mins before the end. Still feel that way but worse).

About 20 minutes after it finished airing and I still feel very meh. Like, like... I've gotten old and the young hip thing doesn't appeal anymore. Like...I'm not getting it. Capaldi is GREAT. He absolutely is. I know this. He's obviously relishing the part.

But my god, the banging us over the head with the he's not young and 'I'm not your boyfriend' and that surprise Eleven? Cheap. And doesn't speak well of Clara at all. And the paradise at the end and the New Mystery! What the fuck ever. This has everything the anti-Moffs (which I am, but don't love to be lumped with them because some are batshit) in SPADES. Almost on purpose. The whole thing was wankbait. And that's just the ultimate in conceit (Which where did all that about Clara's narcissism come from?).
Glad that spoiler I learned today got out of the way quickly (dinosaur in the Thames).

New intro! Um. Cheesy! But I don't hate it. I don't love the music. Oh well. I don't love the making it more ridiculous each time. Whatever.

No wedding ring right off the bat. Interesting.

They're pushing this flirting/no flirting thing really hard. Jenny clapping is very cute.

I'm honestly glad I didn't know the Victorian London trio were in this. I'm well over them and their throwaway lines.

I don't remember how much Clara remembers, but I know she's got some working knowledge of past Doctors. Why would she be SO thrown by his apparent age?

Wish they'd left the face thing at 'I never know where I get them.' Don't want that to be A Thing. We'll see.

O_o about Jenny posing in unders while Vastra works. Not... sure it's worth my O_o though. Just kind of dumb.

I'm not watching live after today. These commercials are awful disruptive. At least the breaks should be built into The Intruders. Next time there's a new Doctor, I'm going to plan to be in the UK.

Was wondering how long it would take to reference GitF. Sigh. The most eyerolly thing so far, so I guess we're doing well.

When did he find his outfit in between fake-ish!abandonment and rescue. We're denied a choosing scene? That bit of a black coat with the mirror and the tramp was it?

Oh look, let's beat the GitF joke horse a bunch more times.

Capaldi is so good. I wish this were like, worthy of him. Why am I so bitter? I blame the commercials. I don't hate it. But hoped for more.

(Wrote that last part about 20 mins before the end. Still feel that way but worse).

About 20 minutes after it finished airing and I still feel very meh. Like, like... I've gotten old and the young hip thing doesn't appeal anymore. Like...I'm not getting it. Capaldi is GREAT. He absolutely is. I know this. He's obviously relishing the part.

But my god, the banging us over the head with the he's not young and 'I'm not your boyfriend' and that surprise Eleven? Cheap. And doesn't speak well of Clara at all. And the paradise at the end and the New Mystery! What the fuck ever. This has everything the anti-Moffs (which I am, but don't love to be lumped with them because some are batshit) in SPADES. Almost on purpose. The whole thing was wankbait. And that's just the ultimate in conceit (Which where did all that about Clara's narcissism come from?).

I don't know. It's not like in going to not watch. But I'm for sure going to bank time next time to not watch commercials. See if that helps.

I don't know. It's not like in going to not watch. But I'm for sure going to bank time next time to not watch commercials. See if that helps.

Date: 2014-08-24 01:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beck-liz.livejournal.com
Why would she be SO thrown by his apparent age?

Yeah, I mean she's seen One, after all, who was pretty much the definition of crotchety old coot. Twelve is a strapping young man by comparison.

Capaldi is great; the rest of it is pretty standard Moffat, including the weirdness at the end. And I'm getting a creepy stalker vibe from the lady at the end calling the Doctor her "boyfriend", which doesn't surprise me coming from Moffat at all. Of course he's going to have yet another woman be gaga over the Doctor or whatever. *eyeroll*

I've stuck with it this long so it's not like I'm going to stop watching now, especially since I still do [livejournal.com profile] who_daily. And I'll probably mostly enjoy at least the Capaldi stuff. But Doctor Who has definitely hit that "homework" feeling for me. I'm watching to keep informed more than anything else, which is not how I want to watch a show.

Date: 2014-08-24 04:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karenor.livejournal.com
For me... It's sort of like... a church. Not in that it's about worship... But this thing that came along and you never had much experience with and it Opened Your Eyes and changed your life, and you met all these wonderful people who have been transformed by it too. But then the church starts doing things you don't agree with. That don't fit in to your ideals, why you came there in the first place. But you hang around because you like your brethren, and it's an obligation anyway, and maybe, if you hang around long enough, the teachings will come back around to what resonates with you.

I just came to Capalday, not expecting more, but hoping really hard.

Date: 2014-08-24 03:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nonelvis
BBCA's commercials are hugely disruptive to the show's flow, rendering it nearly unwatchable for me. I will often watch the BBCA broadcast anyway just for the hell of it, but only after having first watched the episode by other means.

I don't remember how much Clara remembers, but I know she's got some working knowledge of past Doctors. Why would she be SO thrown by his apparent age?

I've been thinking about this one since I first saw the episode leak, and for me, it comes down to this: it's one thing for Clara to be aware of regeneration -- after all, she's met Ten, Eleven, and the War Doctor -- and it's another for her to have to process it herself. (N.B. I am pretty sure, though would have to go back to TNotD to be certain, that Clara doesn't remember having met any of the other Doctors -- those were simply copies of her meeting them, not Clara herself.)

Here's the incredibly rough analogy I see: a friend of yours is about to have a baby. You know that her having this baby will change her life and the amount of time/type of interactions she can have with you, but you don't really get that until she has the baby and things actually change -- you can't see each other as often, you have to work around the baby's sleep schedule, etc. Eventually, you and your friend's relationship will settle back in, but there will be a period of adjustment.

Clara understood that the Doctor could change, but she'd never actually seen it happen or even realized that it might affect how she felt about him. Only after living through it with him and getting to understand how he's different now will she come to accept -- or not accept -- their new relationship.

Date: 2014-08-24 04:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karenor.livejournal.com
It's a tossup for me, because I really want to see the episodes in good quality. And the best will come from the tv. But the commercials are terrible. So I guess I can compromise by banking time and being able to skip the ads. But that is only slightly less disruptive.

I can never remember the details of Clara's impossibleness, tbh. But she did hang out with an "old" Doctor herself. I get that it would be an adjustment, especially with the Doctor spending so long not having a handle on himself. But to be so shocked and offput by it as to apparently be about to leave because of it seemed really out of character to me. And the phone call to change her mind was just... Ugh. Made no sense and cheapened all (2-3) characters.

Date: 2014-08-24 08:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] achuislemochroi.livejournal.com

I can never remember the details of Clara's impossibleness, tbh.

I'm not sure if it's the official reason, but I like to think it's through the Wolf.

Date: 2014-08-27 03:24 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] develish1
looks like you had most of the same thoughts I did, though I'll be honest, I wasn't even properly sober when I watched it, so maybe I need a rewatch.

but yeah, I'm pretty "meh" about it too, Capaldi I'm sure I can get along just fine with, but with the writing still being as god-awful as it was last season, well that's clearly going to affect things for me, and not in a good way

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